Apparently the Plan B pill, or morning-after pill, has had it's age restriction lowered from 18 to 17, and there will be a review of whether it should have any age restriction at all.
Morning after pill article
This article showed me some false preconceptions I had: the way the function of the pill is described it is not at all an 'abortion pill' in my mind. This doesn't go into enough detail for me to comment on any safety issues, but the idea of politics governing FDA rulings rather than science is....annoying, if not unexpected. I imagine all administrations will put pressure on the FDA if they have an issue they feel is important (morally or just politically). I just wish it were easier to avoid.
Full Version: Morning after pill
Just another example of the government trying to destroy the family...
A 17 year old kid cant skip school without a note from mom and dad... but they can get an abortion...
A 17 year old kid cant skip school without a note from mom and dad... but they can get an abortion...
That's the thing Al...if this article is correct, the morning after pill won't have any effect on an established pregnancy, so it doesn't seem to be an abortion pill.
So, if it is not that, what is it that it kills?
If it has no effect on an established pregnancy, how does it work?
Does it prevent pregnancy?
Does it prevent pregnancy?
I dont care what the technical mumbo jumbo bullshit says...
The bottom line is no matter what type of drug it is, for the FDA to allow the sale of this abortion pill to minors is a direct assault on parental rights...
its just another example of the liberal left forcing thier moraless values on the rest of us...
I cant wait for this friggin revolution to get going...
I have a long list...
The bottom line is no matter what type of drug it is, for the FDA to allow the sale of this abortion pill to minors is a direct assault on parental rights...
its just another example of the liberal left forcing thier moraless values on the rest of us...
I cant wait for this friggin revolution to get going...
I have a long list...
Al is right. How can we justify giving a 17 year old an abortion pill, when kids get in trouble in school for Tylenol or Ibuprofen? Besides that the parents have a right to know. Legally, she is still underage.
Aclu is right, I can't wait for this friggin revolution to get started.
| QUOTE (Crusader @ Apr 23 2009, 07:13 PM) |
| Al is right. How can we justify giving a 17 year old an abortion pill, when kids get in trouble in school for Tylenol or Ibuprofen? Besides that the parents have a right to know. Legally, she is still underage. |
Sweet words Crusader!
This pill will just continue to make Americans out to be irresponsible for their actions. Why must we push irresponsibility towards the youth of the country? I say that if the pill must ever be issued, give it to a woman who is at least 39 years old.
Lol, 39? Where'd you come up with that number? 
QUOTE (Detmurds @ Apr 25 2009, 07:19 AM)
| QUOTE (Crusader @ Apr 23 2009, 07:13 PM) |
| Al is right. How can we justify giving a 17 year old an abortion pill, when kids get in trouble in school for Tylenol or Ibuprofen? Besides that the parents have a right to know. Legally, she is still underage. |
Sweet words Crusader!
This pill will just continue to make Americans out to be irresponsible for their actions. Why must we push irresponsibility towards the youth of the country? I say that if the pill must ever be issued, give it to a woman who is at least 39 years old.
I am scratching my a$s wondering what his logic is here too?
Taking a crack at this I think maybe, just maybe Det is saying that a 39 year old woman knows who she is, and her limitations already or something like that? I dunno?
Lib, no offense, but most people scratch their "head" not their "arse", unless you have a pet donkey (that still doesn't make sense), when they are confused. C'mon, lets be intellectually honest. I won't believe you're that dense.
Thanks Itallian.
Thanks Itallian.
39 is just such an odd number. I'd think you would just round it up to 40
| QUOTE (Montrovant @ Apr 26 2009, 01:11 PM) |
| 39 is just such an odd number. I'd think you would just round it up to 40 |
First of all this isn't an "abortion pill" it merely prevents the eggs from sticking to the philopian (sp) tubes. If this is an abortion, than women are having abortions every month.
What is wrong from preventing pregnancy? I think killing a baby is wrong. I also think it's wrong for a teenager to try to take care of a baby. We all pay in the end when that happens.
Dr. Drew has been advocating this pill for a very long time. Let's stop pregnancy and stop abortions.
Telling teenagers not to have sex is like telling them not to lie. They're going to do it eventually.
I am being realistic.
If it was perfect world, I would say stop abortion, stop teenagers from having sex, etc.
Note: I think we should be still agressively telling them and educating them to not have sex. Just because I know they are going to do it doesn't make it right and doesn't mean I just throw my hands up and say oh well. The only way to stop crime is to kill all humans. The only way to stop abortion and premarital sex is to kill all humans. In other words, it will never stop no matter what. We need to slow down the numbers. I think the liberal attitude toward the societal pressure has to take some blame for where we are today. Heaven forbide we look down on these young kids for having babies. Let's feature them on a magazine.
Al said one thing I agree with... liberalism doesn't look favorably on a nuclear family.
At least with this "morning after" pill we can cut back on entitlement programs that seem to pop-up in discussions a lot. I watch these shows on weekday television like Maury, Judge Judy, etc., and often think how nice it would be to make abortion, birth control, and perhaps the morning after pill-mandatory. It seems the majority have a dozen kids by a dozen fathers, none are married, none of the baby daddies are involved in, or support these kids, and most have no jobs or on SSI. I think after 2 kids out of wedlock, no daddy support, no job, the moms go on Norplant or involutary sterilization. All the dads who father more than two children and don't support them get vastectomies. Just call me Radical Rick!
Don't worry rick, I've advocated stricter measures than that 
How about just putting birth control medicine to the public water system? I would be for that.
Why does anyone want to have more than 2 kids anyway?
Why does anyone want to have more than 2 kids anyway?
| QUOTE (B-man @ Apr 28 2009, 01:05 PM) |
| How about just putting birth control medicine to the public water system? I would be for that. Why does anyone want to have more than 2 kids anyway? |
B-man, I think a lot of our inner city inhabitants haven't figured-out what causes those babies. To many it's a badge of honor. As long as the taxpayers are footing the bill, and they are fertile, we are going to see a lot of birth announcements with names we can't pronounce. One of the things I have against the anti abortionists and anti family planning people is that they are usually those most upset with taxpayer money going to deliver, clothe, house, feed, and many times incarcerate, those who shouldn't be here to start with. Family planning, birth control, whatever you want to call it, should not only be legal and funded, at times it should be mandatory. I would much rather pay for Norplant procedures for lets's call them sexually active, non-married, welfare receiving, baby producing, un-employed, Hud residing, bottom feeding, urban rats, than to keep us this vicious circle of unwanted and unguided kids being born to be a burden to society. If you can't afford kids, can't work, can't parent them, you shouldn't expect society to pay you to have them.
QUOTE (rick @ Apr 28 2009, 09:10 PM)
| QUOTE (B-man @ Apr 28 2009, 01:05 PM) |
| How about just putting birth control medicine to the public water system? I would be for that. Why does anyone want to have more than 2 kids anyway? |
B-man, I think a lot of our inner city inhabitants haven't figured-out what causes those babies. To many it's a badge of honor. If you can't afford kids, can't work, can't parent them, you shouldn't expect society to pay you to have them.
So we should Kill the kids???
How about taking responsability jackhole!
Back in early American days, the court system regarded slaves as non-human, so legally, they could not be part of the All Men Are Created Equal theory. This is the same story with babies being murdered. .......Nuff Said!
I don't want to speak for rick, but if I'm not mistaken what he's been talking about here is birth control rather than abortion.
| QUOTE (Montrovant @ Apr 29 2009, 03:54 AM) |
| I don't want to speak for rick, but if I'm not mistaken what he's been talking about here is birth control rather than abortion. |
True, so I will stand down to some degree.
| QUOTE (Montrovant @ Apr 29 2009, 03:54 AM) |
| I don't want to speak for rick, but if I'm not mistaken what he's been talking about here is birth control rather than abortion. |
It's amazing how someone can read posts and take something out of it that is completely contrary to what other's would. I guess it's because some people have the intention of taking everything someone who they usually disagree with in a bad way.
I find the discussion of birth control and abortion to be interesting. I am pro-life, but agree that birth control and education should be funded. I have no problem explaining to 10 year olds what the consequences of unprotected sex are and advocate abstinence. It is the sure method of avoiding unwanted pregnancies.
| QUOTE (dragon @ Apr 29 2009, 12:10 PM) |
| I find the discussion of birth control and abortion to be interesting. I am pro-life, but agree that birth control and education should be funded. I have no problem explaining to 10 year olds what the consequences of unprotected sex are and advocate abstinence. It is the sure method of avoiding unwanted pregnancies. |
I am pro-life as well, but just because I believe that doesn't mean everyone should or will. As for abstinance, millions of babies are born each year to kids who were taught abstinance only.
QUOTE (rick @ Apr 30 2009, 06:08 PM)
| QUOTE (dragon @ Apr 29 2009, 12:10 PM) |
| I find the discussion of birth control and abortion to be interesting. I am pro-life, but agree that birth control and education should be funded. I have no problem explaining to 10 year olds what the consequences of unprotected sex are and advocate abstinence. It is the sure method of avoiding unwanted pregnancies. |
I am pro-life as well, but just because I believe that doesn't mean everyone should or will. As for abstinance, millions of babies are born each year to kids who were taught abstinance only.
Obviously they don't practice astinence though.
QUOTE (dragon @ Apr 30 2009, 09:21 PM)
| QUOTE (rick @ Apr 30 2009, 06:08 PM) | ||
I am pro-life as well, but just because I believe that doesn't mean everyone should or will. As for abstinance, millions of babies are born each year to kids who were taught abstinance only. |
Obviously they don't practice astinence though.
Exactly. Easier said than done.
QUOTE (rick @ May 1 2009, 07:44 AM)
| QUOTE (dragon @ Apr 30 2009, 09:21 PM) | ||
| QUOTE (rick @ Apr 30 2009, 06:08 PM)
As for abstinance, millions of babies are born each year to kids who were taught abstinance only. |
Obviously they don't practice astinence though.
Exactly. Easier said than done.
This is a flat out lie... where are these millions of babies being born whos Parents were taught strictly Abstanince "ONLY"...
I like the way Cap'n Rick tries to add substance to his points by slipping in little lies...
What is with the Cap'n Rick verbage?
| QUOTE (RAGIN CAJUN @ May 3 2009, 07:35 PM) |
| What is with the Cap'n Rick verbage? |
Simple, I say abstinence sounds good, but look at the rate of unwanted and teen pregnancies amongst kids taught abstinence. You get two teens aroused in passion and hormones, give them the opportunity and abstinence goes out the door. I was taught abstinence, most of my friends and all of my family were taught abstinence-it fails due to the human condition of being a healthy, normal, being. You know what I mean, I'm sure. You can teach kids to drive safely, not speed, not to drink alcohol, be home at midnight. That all sounds good, but when they get into the wreck, go to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated, you know teaching is just guidance, not the solution to all problems.
Understand exactly what you are saying here Rick and you are correct, but why are kids running the streets and doing this stuff? Keep them home, stop buying them everything they want and most importantly, spend time with them. It is not a fool proof system, but it does work. Parents are not being parents in today's America.
| QUOTE (MAKEMDEAD @ May 4 2009, 05:35 PM) |
| Understand exactly what you are saying here Rick and you are correct, but why are kids running the streets and doing this stuff? Keep them home, stop buying them everything they want and most importantly, spend time with them. It is not a fool proof system, but it does work. Parents are not being parents in today's America. |
Makeme, You're right about the kids running the streets. I did as a kid, but was street smart enough to keep out of trouble. I was taught abstinence, but only with luck did I not knock-up my high school sweetheart. I just found out my grandson has gotten his girlfriend pregnant. Both came from families that taught abstinence. That's what I meant about it not working. You can't be with them every minute.
Lucky? You might have been more careful than you think you were? I have never heard of a kid getting another kid pregnant when they watched them. Teaching the word abstinence means nothing to a kid that is horny, teaching the respect of a parent is priceless.
I can speak from experience that abstinence does not work. I knew about it but was too horny to care.
What I wasn't taught was how to have sex safely. I truly thought that the pull out method would work... boy was I wrong.
Kids will do the right thing if you just teach them. Kids aren't always stupid.
What I wasn't taught was how to have sex safely. I truly thought that the pull out method would work... boy was I wrong.
Kids will do the right thing if you just teach them. Kids aren't always stupid.
| QUOTE (B-man @ May 7 2009, 08:56 PM) |
| I can speak from experience that abstinence does not work. I knew about it but was too horny to care. What I wasn't taught was how to have sex safely. I truly thought that the pull out method would work... boy was I wrong. Kids will do the right thing if you just teach them. Kids aren't always stupid. |
B-man, you are starting to sound like an anti-gun type in saying that! Abstinence never fails, it is people that fail, just like guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Of course it's true that abstinence works Mad, but I think the point of the discussion is whether or not teaching only abstinence and not including other forms of prevention is effective.
| QUOTE (Montrovant @ May 8 2009, 09:57 PM) |
| Of course it's true that abstinence works Mad, but I think the point of the discussion is whether or not teaching only abstinence and not including other forms of prevention is effective. |
Exactly Mont. What I was trying to point out is that of course abstinence works, but it is up to the human that was taught that method. It's much like driving. If everyone followed the law as they are taught, never swayed from doing the things we are taught, there would never be any wrecks, no speeding tickets, no ran red lights etcetera. When you use a method that is dependent on a human being, especially an adolescent who can't even legally sign a contract, it leaves too much to chance.
Every post on this page fails to address the most important issue at hand... And that is...Taking responsability for you actions...
Putting aside the whole life issue... People(even teens) must learn to take responsability..
Rick gave a good example when he said "You can teach kids to drive safely, not speed, not to drink alcohol, be home at midnight, but when they get into the wreck, go to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated, you know teaching is just guidance, not the solution to all problems."
This is all true... The piont I see being missed in all this though is the fact that when a child get into a wreck, goes to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated... They must face the consequences and take resposability for their actions...
There is no pill that takes the car accident or court date away, or brings back to life the persons killed in a car wreck... nor should there be...
By allowing children to use drugs to avoid the cosequences of their actions you are just throwing fuel on the fire, giving teens(and adults) the platform to continue to act irresponsable..
Putting aside the whole life issue... People(even teens) must learn to take responsability..
Rick gave a good example when he said "You can teach kids to drive safely, not speed, not to drink alcohol, be home at midnight, but when they get into the wreck, go to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated, you know teaching is just guidance, not the solution to all problems."
This is all true... The piont I see being missed in all this though is the fact that when a child get into a wreck, goes to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated... They must face the consequences and take resposability for their actions...
There is no pill that takes the car accident or court date away, or brings back to life the persons killed in a car wreck... nor should there be...
By allowing children to use drugs to avoid the cosequences of their actions you are just throwing fuel on the fire, giving teens(and adults) the platform to continue to act irresponsable..
| QUOTE (Alucard @ May 9 2009, 06:59 AM) |
| Every post on this page fails to address the most important issue at hand... And that is...Taking responsability for you actions... Putting aside the whole life issue... People(even teens) must learn to take responsability.. Rick gave a good example when he said "You can teach kids to drive safely, not speed, not to drink alcohol, be home at midnight, but when they get into the wreck, go to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated, you know teaching is just guidance, not the solution to all problems." This is all true... The piont I see being missed in all this though is the fact that when a child get into a wreck, goes to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated... They must face the consequences and take resposability for their actions... There is no pill that takes the car accident or court date away, or brings back to life the persons killed in a car wreck... nor should there be... By allowing children to use drugs to avoid the cosequences of their actions you are just throwing fuel on the fire, giving teens(and adults) the platform to continue to act irresponsable.. |
Al, I think I have said it many times, ...."we have to accept and live by the decisions we make."
| QUOTE (Alucard @ May 9 2009, 06:59 AM) |
| Every post on this page fails to address the most important issue at hand... And that is...Taking responsability for you actions... Putting aside the whole life issue... People(even teens) must learn to take responsability.. Rick gave a good example when he said "You can teach kids to drive safely, not speed, not to drink alcohol, be home at midnight, but when they get into the wreck, go to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated, you know teaching is just guidance, not the solution to all problems." This is all true... The piont I see being missed in all this though is the fact that when a child get into a wreck, goes to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated... They must face the consequences and take resposability for their actions... There is no pill that takes the car accident or court date away, or brings back to life the persons killed in a car wreck... nor should there be... By allowing children to use drugs to avoid the cosequences of their actions you are just throwing fuel on the fire, giving teens(and adults) the platform to continue to act irresponsable.. |
Alucard, That's the best post you have made. I knew you could give your opinion in a non offensive way. I don't agree with making children have a child to teach them responsibility. Often it's the grandparents that end up stuck with the responsibility. I'm speaking from experience...I become a great-grandfather next month. Teens aren't allowed to drink alcohol legally, sign contracts, or even rent a car in most states. I don't think they need to have an unplanned child due to urges and spur of the moment decisions they aren't allowed to make-legally.
QUOTE (Detmurds @ May 9 2009, 11:07 AM)
| QUOTE (Alucard @ May 9 2009, 06:59 AM) |
| Every post on this page fails to address the most important issue at hand... And that is...Taking responsability for you actions... Putting aside the whole life issue... People(even teens) must learn to take responsability.. Rick gave a good example when he said "You can teach kids to drive safely, not speed, not to drink alcohol, be home at midnight, but when they get into the wreck, go to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated, you know teaching is just guidance, not the solution to all problems." This is all true... The piont I see being missed in all this though is the fact that when a child get into a wreck, goes to the jail or a hospital, or come home at 3 am intoxicated... They must face the consequences and take resposability for their actions... There is no pill that takes the car accident or court date away, or brings back to life the persons killed in a car wreck... nor should there be... By allowing children to use drugs to avoid the cosequences of their actions you are just throwing fuel on the fire, giving teens(and adults) the platform to continue to act irresponsable.. |
Al, I think I have said it many times, ...."we have to accept and live by the decisions we make."
I agree...In this situation someone will die for the decision we make...
| QUOTE (rick @ May 9 2009, 11:07 AM) |
| I knew you could give your opinion in a non offensive way. |
Not that often Rick... I an a self admitted a$s and jackhole... Feel free to address me such whenever its needed...
| QUOTE (rick @ May 9 2009, 11:07 AM) |
| Teens aren't allowed to drink alcohol legally, sign contracts, or even rent a car in most states. |
That is correct... And this is as it should be... why then have we made exceptions in abortions... Why can a minor get surgery in most states behind their parents back? A procedure that causes many women suffer terribly for the rest of their lives once they realize what they have done...
The untold side effects of abortion like suicide and lifelong depression..
The truth is, its about Money... Killing babies is Big Business in America and there is no way those corperations are going to let a stupid thing like your "parental rights" come between them and a huge market out there(kids)...
If children needed parental permision for abortions, it would lead to more grandparents and much less profits for these baby killing facilities...
Do you really think anyone at planned parenthood really gives a hoot about the kids or women they run through there... Its about making money... And teens are a huge market ...
Well, once you get mom and dad out of the way they are ...
I don't want to pay for some teen having a child. It's easy saying they should take responsibility but how can they. You and I pay for it both in money and blood.
It's crazy.
Give a baby a loaded gun and it will probably shoot itself in the head.
It's crazy.
Give a baby a loaded gun and it will probably shoot itself in the head.
| QUOTE (B-man @ May 16 2009, 12:48 PM) |
| I don't want to pay for some teen having a child. It's easy saying they should take responsibility but how can they. You and I pay for it both in money and blood. It's crazy. Give a baby a loaded gun and it will probably shoot itself in the head. |
Either way you and I are subject to paying (Obama is going to pay for world-wide abortions)
. I can't recall anyone I know saying that they regret having their child?
Planned parenthood
? ...Leave that up to God, because the only thing a male and female can plan is the sex that lead them up to parenthood. No child is a "mistake"
.